This Revelation Timeline Decoded post features a video from Dr. Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship called The Seventh Seal And Fifth And Sixth Trumpets: The Siege – Part Two – The Demons Arrive.
This message was preached by Pastor Chuck Baldwin on Sunday, 02/15/23, during the service at Liberty Fellowship.
Before I begin my review of Pastor Chuck Baldwin’s explanations, let me declare that I do these type of reviews, not just to expose false teachers; but to show what they teach, which you may have also been taught, so that you can see the truth and the deception.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin has read the explanations of the great theologians of the 16th-20th centuries and and he cites them when something they say helps support his preterist explanations.
But then he purposely leaves out their historicist explanations of the trumpet judgments against the Roman Empire, which misleads people into thinking that they supported the preterist viewpoint. SMH!
These reviews serve as an open rebuttal of their explanations. It’s not about me, it’s about the truth of prophecy fulfillment which reveals the glory of our beloved Messiah!
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the fifth and sixth trumpets represent the demons that were released upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem during the last days of the Roman siege.
This is a made up narrative, as there is no Scriptural or historical proof of this explanation! it’s no better than the fanciful narrative of futurists!
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that John tells us in Revelation 11:2-3, that the Jewish War lasted 3 1/2 years.
Revelation 11 has nothing to do with the first century.
Revelation 11:1-2 was primarily fulfilled by then Catholic monk Martin Luther who was given the Scriptures (the reed like a rod) and told to measure the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church against the rule of Scripture.
The temple that he’s measuring is not a physical temple, but rather the temple in which the Heavenly Father dwells, as Messiah is the cornerstone, the disciples the foundation and the saints the stones that make up the walls.
Martin Luther found that the Roman Catholic Church is an apostate church. It is not part of Messiah’s temple, but is delegated to the outer court of Gentiles.
The Holy City that’s referred to in Revelation 11:2 is not the physical city of Jerusalem, but Messiah’s Ekklesia of saints, which is called Holy Jerusalem in Revelation.
The great city, which is the name of the Roman beast kingdom, tread upon Messiah’s saints for 1260-years, from 538-1798 AD, killing tens of millions of saints during the Dark Ages and Inquisition.
Pastor Baldwins explanations serve to hide the historical fulfillment of Revelation.
Read Revelation 11 – Measuring The Temple
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship mocks Scofield futurists who say that there will be a 7-year tribulation period after the rapture.
Though futurists believe a false narrative of prophecy fulfillment, Pastor Chuck Baldwin is purposely hiding the historicist explanation.
He has to know that historicists assign the fifth trumpet to the rise of Islam and the Muslim army which was sent to attack the central part of the Roman Empire. He has to know that historicists proclaim that the sixth trumpet points to the Turks being released to attack the eastern Roman Empire.
But Pastor Chuck Baldwin does not declare that historicists give the proper explanation of the 70th week of Daniel 9 and the Olivet Discourse; which lacks credibility. He is hiding the historicist narrative!
Read Revelation Timeline
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that nothing is more twisted and convoluted that Scofield futurism.
Actually, that’s not true, as it’s easy to see how what Scofield futurists teach is false.
More twisted and convoluted explanations about the fulfillment of Revelation, come from people like Pastor Baldwin, who teach the historical fulfillment of the 70th week of Daniel 9 and the Olivet Discourse, and then mislead people about Revelation, proclaiming that it too was fulfilled in the first century!
Pastor Chuck Baldwin is effectively hiding the glorious truth of prophecy fulfillment, which validates the authority of the Bible and the deity of Messiah who foretold the events. Here’s a summary of the fifth and sixth trumpets.
The 5th Trumpet represents Elohim using the Arabian (Mohammedan) army against the Roman Empire from 632-782 AD, which is 150 years (5 months x 30 days = 150 days). They wore turbans (crowns of gold); they had beards (faces of men, as the Roman shaved); they had long hair like women; they wore chain-mail (breast-plates of iron); and they were fierce (teeth of lions). The ‘falling star’ was Mohammed, the ‘smoke’ out of Satan’s bottomless pit is the false religion of Islam, which hides the Gospel from Arabs eyes.
The 6th Trumpet represents Elohim releasing the Turks to cross over the Euphrates River to conquer 1/3rd of the Roman Empire for 391 years (prepared for the hour and day and month and year, 1 + 30 + 360 = 391) from 1062-1453 AD. They used gunpowder muskets, so ‘fire, smoke and brimstone’ appeared at their horses mouths. They used large cannons, some with the faces of lions on them, to knock down the thick protective walls of Constantinople.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship said nothing about Revelation 9:4.
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Every detail was given for a purpose. How did the Romans not hurt the grass or trees? They didn’t, which is why Chuck skipped over this narrative.
During his life, Muhammad gave various injunctions to his forces and adopted practices toward the conduct of war. One of them was “Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful.”
The reason is that unlike other barbarian armies who attacked the Roman Empire during the first four trumpet judgments, who burned everything in sight, the Muslims wanted to preserve the vegetation as they took over the land and it served to feed them.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship points to five months of torment during last part of the Roman siege.
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. Revelation 9:5
The zoology of the fifth trumpet; horses, locust, scorpions; point to Arabia, not to the Romans.
Does Josephus document a particular five month period? No!
It’s pointing to the 150 year (5 months x 30 days, each one prophetic year) from 632-782 AD, during which the Muslims attacked the middle 1/3rd of the Roman Empire.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the fallen star is Satan who released demonic spirits from the bottomless pit.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin says that there were 100s of thousands of locust-like demons, which caused the Jews to kill each other.
This made up narrative is no better than the fanciful stories of futurism!
There’s no evidence of any of this taking place! Did Josephus or any historian declare these things? No!
The wickedness of the Jews served to cause them to war against each other, causing hundreds of thousands of their own people to die.
Read The Great Tribulation of the Olivet Discourse
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says in regard to Revelation 9:6 that the Jews couldn’t find death.
And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
In this video, Pastor Chuck Baldwin proclaimed that the Jews caused hundreds of thousands of their own people to die, but then he proclaims that they couldn’t find death. That doesn’t make any sense!
Jews who tried to surrender to the Romans were killed by rebel Jews. Jews who tried to find food outside of the city walls, were captured by the Romans and tortured and crucified.
The city of Jerusalem was filled with dead bodies which were heaped up in stacks. The valleys that surrounded Jerusalem was filled with dead bodies which had been thrown over the city walls.
After the Romans flooded into Jerusalem in 70 AD, hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed by the sword. In all, 1.1 million Jews died in and around Jerusalem, so Pastor Chuck Baldwin’s declaration that they couldn’t find death is absurd!
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship said nothing in regard to Revelation 9:7.
And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
Every detail was given for a purpose.
Here’s a portrait of Antar, a contemporary of Mohammed, in which we can see the clear fulfillment of this prophecy.
“The horses prepared unto battle” simply represents that they used horses in battle.
“The crowns of gold” represent the gold and yellow saffron colored turbans that they wore.
“Their faces were as the faces of men“ means that they had beards, which is a sign of their masculinity. Romans and other races shaved their faces, so this would have stood out to John.
“They had hair as the hair of women“ The Muslims had long hair in those days. If they were preparing for battle, they would tie it up under the turbans.
“And their teeth were as the teeth of lions“ means that they were savage and ferocious.
We see the exacting fulfillment of the fifth trumpet judgment, not the fanciful stories of futurism or the preterism of Pastor Chuck Baldwin
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship cites Josephus to say that Roman soldiers dressed up as women.
And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. Revelation 9:8
Most of Revelation is about the great city of Rome, home of the Roman beast kingdom. The Romans shaved, so John was pointing out that the Arabs had beards, faces of men.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship said nothing about Revelation 9:9.
And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
How did the Romans fulfill this according to Pastor Chuck Baldwin? They didn’t! The Romans didn’t use chariots and horses to attack Jerusalem.
“And they had breastplates of iron“ means the Arab army wore chain-mail as they went into battle. The sounds of their wings represents the rapid conquests of the Saracens, as they moved over countries as swiftly as locust, their many horses causing a great sound.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship said nothing about Revelation 9:10.
And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
“They had stings in their tail” indicates the Saracen Arabs unique ability to fight rearwards, shooting arrows backwards, while riding on horseback.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the Roman leader was the king.
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Roman Emperors and generals were not called kings. It’s pointing to Mohammed, was was destined to control Mecca until his grandfather died and it passed to another as he was too young to take control.
He was ripe to be deceived to take back control, which took place through his Catholic wife and her cousin, who played a role in helping prop Mohammed up as the prophet of Islam.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that Revelation 9:13 proves that the apocalyptic vision was written before the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Pastor Chuck Baldwin is implying that it’s pointing to the altar in the Jewish temple, but that’s off-target as it declares that the golden altar is in heaven. It’s a declaration from an angel from heaven.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the four angels in Revelation 9:14 are the four Roman generals.
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin knows that historians only document three divisions of the Roman army being used in Jerusalem, so he gave a lame explanation to justify a fourth to prop up his flimsy point.
The Turks (also known as the Tartars and Turkomans) had moved into the area East of the Euphrates, but for two generations the river prevented (bound them) them from moving towards the West. Finally in 1062 A.D., they were able to cross the Euphrates and surge against the eastern Roman Empire.
Alp Arslan was the leader who led the Turks across the river, but he died in battle, and was succeeded by Malek Shah, whose divided the kingdom under his four sons, the four angels/leaders.
These four sons would seem to represent the four angels, as they were the leaders who were released to from the Euphrates to execute the Heavenly Father’s will.
Read Revelation 9 – 6th Trumpet
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that it took 13 months to assembly this massive force.
And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. Revelation 9:15
The passage is pointing to them attacking during this period of time, not assembling their forces, so Pastor Chuck Baldwin’s explanation is off-target.
The 6th Trumpet represents Elohim releasing the Turks to cross over the Euphrates River to conquer 1/3rd of the Roman Empire for 391 years (prepared for the hour and day and month and year, 1 + 30 + 360 = 391) from 1062-1453 AD.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the two hundred thousand thousand in Revelation 9:16 was symbolic.
And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin declares that there were about 75,000 Roman soldiers who attacked Jerusalem. So because this number falls short of the declaration in the prophecy, he says that the number is symbolic. How convenient!
A myriad means “ten thousand“, so John’s vision represented groups of ten thousand. The Turks fulfilled this, as they organized their armies in units of ten thousand, so we see the exacting fulfillment in the historicist explanations, which Pastor Chuck Baldwin is hiding.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that Revelation 9:17 represents a demon-possessed Roman army attacking Jerusalem.
And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Once again, this fanciful explanation is no better than the futuristic explanations. There’s no proof of any of this to be true!
The truth exposes the deception, so I’ll just post the historicist explanation so that you can see that Pastor Chuck Baldwin is misleading people.
The Turks uniforms were red, blue and yellow (fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone).
Alp Arsion, their leader, their head, was known as the “Valiant Lion“, and many others had names like the brace lion, the heroic lion, etc. They were known for their ferocity, even more than the Arabs.
The Turkish tribes carried a horse-like tail, instead of banners, as they rode into battle. They wore them on their Fez’s (hats), as seen above. The more horse tails, the more important you were.
The Turks fired long muskets when riding their horse, so the gunpowder (fire, smoke and brimstone) appeared near the horses’ mouth.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that Revelation 9:18 points to the number of Jews who were killed in Jerusalem
By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Once again, Pastor Chuck Baldwin is effectively hiding the historicist explanation. The Roman Empire was so vast, so that at one point it was split into three parts, with three Emperors ruling over them.
The first four trumpet judgments were against the western third of the Roman empire. The Muslims of the fifth trumpet were released to attack middle third of the empire. And the Turks of the sixth trumpet were sent to attack the eastern third of the empire.
Constantinople was a well-defended city which had massive walls and water on three sides, so it was difficult to attack.
The Turks used large cannons which filled the air with fire, smoke and brimstone, to knock down the thick protective walls to conquer Constantinople in 1453 AD. They converted the city into Istanbul.
Roman historian Edward Gibbon wrote an epic series called The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. He wasn’t trying to prove the fulfillment of prophecy, but just to document history.
Gibbon starts his narrative with Emperor Trajan who ruled from 98-117 AD, when Rome was conquering nations and celebrating with victory parade in which he rose a white horse and wore a laurel wreath crown. This is what the first seal of Revelation is describing.
Gibbon documented the western Roman Emperor being removed from power, which fulfilled the fourth trumpet judgment.
Gibbon ends his narrative with the defeat of Constantinople, when the Eastern Roman Emperor was removed from power. This is what the sixth trumpet is describing.
So we see the historical fulfillment of the first seal to the sixth trumpet in the historical evidence of Gibbons writings.
I have no doubt that Pastor Chuck Baldwin knows Gibbons writings, and the historicist explanations of the great theologians of the 16th-20th centuries who used Gibbons’ narrative to show the fulfillment of Revelation.
And that means that Pastor Chuck Baldwin is purposefully misleading people!
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship didn’t give an explanation for Revelation 9:19.
For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
The Turks used muskets which fired metal balls that shot out with the gunpowder blast appearing near the head of the horses.
The Turks used gunpowder and cannons in warfare, to knock down troops and city walls.
Here’s a picture of the Dardanelles Gun, which was cast in 1464 A.D. and based on the Orban bombard that was used for the Ottoman besiegers of Constantinople in 1453.
So the “fire, smoke, brimstone” is a manifest allusion to artillery and gunpowder; which were the main engines used by the Turks.
“For their power is in their mouth and in their tails” – The cannons shot forth with fire and smoke, to take down cavalry, and battle the walls of fortified cities.
They lit the fuse at the tail of the cannon, to ignite the gunpowder, which is the power which propelled the huge balls from the mouth of the cannon.
They surrounded Constantinople and by cannon fire the city fell. This was the first recorded time that a city fell because of superior artillery.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the Jews did not repent when they were attacked by the Roman army.
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk. Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. Revelation 9:20-21
That may be true, but the sixth trumpet is pointing to the Orthodox Christians in Constantinople, who believed the same false gospel as the Roman Catholic Church, that salvation is through the sacraments and that Mary is their intercessor. They even prayed for Mary to protect them from the attack of the Turks.
Whether Pastor Baldwin is woefully deceived or a deceiver doesn’t matter, as the effect of his explanations serve to deflect blame away from the enemy of Messiah and His saints, and hide the true historical fulfillment of the prophecies in Revelation.
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14 thoughts on “Pastor Chuck Baldwin – Revelation 9 Fifth And Sixth Trumpets Video Review”
Your explanations using His Word are so thorough, and easy to understand David. Yah has definitely given you a blessed gift! Thank you for all of your hard work in His Name! HalleluYah! ❤️
Thank you for your comment Denise! The historicist narrative of prophecy fulfillment is amazing! It was told by the great theologians of the 16th-20 centuries, but the enemy has hid their witness. My role is to bring it back to life, for the end-times saints to see the truth and the deceptions. Keep pressing on for the glory of our King! ❤️
Is it now any more obvious that Mr. Chuck Baldwin is a tool for the Roman Catholic Jesuit Vatican Beast Empire?
I stopped listening to him many months ago because I KNOW in my heart and soul he is a false teacher. I cannot ignore the spiritual wisdom and discernment that ONLY our Heavenly Father can give us when we seek it.
Even Baldwin’s arrogance and Billy Graham (Roman patriarch) style preaching repulses me. I use that word because a man that deceives behind a pulpit is repulsive.
Like most of the masonic, anti-christ, Je$uit, founding forefathers of America, Baldwin is no different. Masonry is only one vile arm of the Je$uit deception. Many believe (including me) Baldwin is a mason. He is so off target now, you can tell he is a fraud.
If anyone is reading this comment, please research exactly who Baldwin associates (from the beginning of his so-called ministry until now). You can’t make this stuff up! Most, if not all, of Baldwin’s associates are rooted in Roman Catholicism or Je$uitism. Research it for yourself. This includes Ron PAPIST Paul and many many others.
I’m not a fan of Abraham Lincoln for obvious reasons but Baldwin dare not tell you about the Je$uits surrounding Lincoln or Kennedy, and what they did and did not do to appease the Je$uits.
Instead, Baldwin promotes one of his associates’ book that wants you to HATE Lincoln for reasons that deflect blame and attention away from the Roman Catholic hierarchy and the Je$uits. Baldwin dare not mention the word Je$uit and will strike out at you if you question him on his position regarding the Roman Catholic Church or the Roman Beast Kingdom.
David, thank you for taking the time to rebuke (and rebut) this false teacher using history, Scripture, and the many respected theologians that we have all come to know and love throughout church history.
Thank you for your comment! Yeah, with each Revelation explanation it becomes more obvious that he’s hiding the historicist explanations. He didn’t even mention them in this lesson.
Hopefully posts like this let people see the truth fulfillment of Bible prophecy, which validates the authority of the Bible and the deity of Messiah.
Thank you ACM for your insight and comments. I’ve been a member and supporter of Pastor Chuck Baldwin for many years. In the past I’ve found his messages inspiring and certainly encouraged my own growth as a Christian. However as an online follower living in Australia his constant promotion of the founding fathers and books, I found at times annoying – but it did lead me to do my own research and found large chunks of history particularly of the Carroll Jesuit family left out. However in the past 13 months Ive felt and saw a change in Pastor Chucks manner/delivery which I cannot explain. Maybe it was God opening my eyes as I did start to see an arrogance in his presentation plus the fact he only ever reads emails, letters prior to his message that illuminate and praise him. I have never researched his background only read his history on the website. My comments are not to degrade Pastor Chuck as I don’t know him personally. However his recent teaching on the Book of Revelation have deeply saddened me. I’m only a recent student of Daniels 70th week plus Revelation from a background of false teaching of the rapture. I listened to his teaching on Sunday and knew in my heart/spirit there were huge gaps. Pastor Chucks lack of addressing the Jesuits or the Roman Catholic Church given his extensive reading and knowledge baffles me – as David suggests he quotes the great theologians to suit his narrative. He is constantly scathing of Schofield et all plus the Zionist state of Israel (where I lived for many years) yet the history of the Roman Empire and how the Papacy transitioned into the Roman Catholic Church, if one studies history, is documented. After all the years of being part of Liberty Fellowship it’s hard for me to believe or even accept he is a false teacher but God has a way of exposing such. I thank God for leading me to David’s website as I’ve gained a greater historical understanding of these important events which have been fulfilled but still ongoing. I will pray for Pastor Chuck that God will open his eyes to the deceptions he’s teaching as he now has a huge following both in the US and international. Thank you David for keeping abreast of these false teachings. There are so many which are springing up now it’s important to keep close to God and Scripture.
Thank you for sharing your experience of being a part of Liberty Fellowship and your journey of learning. Praise our Heavenly Father that He has given you eyes to see!
Yeah, I cover the founding of America in this study and it points to the influence of the Je$uit Carroll family. https://revelationtimelinedecoded.com/the-jesuits-help-found-america-to-use-it-as-their-war-machine/
I do these type of reviews, not just to expose false teachers; but to show what they teach, which others may have also been taught, so that they can see the truth and the deception. And these reviews serve as an open rebuttal of their explanations.
Pastor Baldwin is purposefully hiding the historicist narrative of the prophecies in Revelation and deflecting blame away from Rome.
Keep learning and growing in The Way of Messiah!
I can’t tell you how much your post touched my heart.
You are sincere, honest, and seeking truth. That speaks volumes amd it is humble.
What our Heavenly Father showed me these last 3 years through this worldwide C.V. deception is to NEVER put your trust in any man. No, not one.
I can tell you one thing for sure. There is so much comfort and assuredness in Scripture, and seeking the truth in Christ, that I had to put my pride aside when I finally admitted to myself and to our Heavenly Father that even persons such as Mr. Baldwin are not what they seem.
Mr. Baldwin refuses to speak the truth because he omits history. Lots of it!! Ask yourself why? Our Heavenly Father and Messiah does not keep secrets from us so why should Mr. Baldwin? I’ll tell you why. He still holds onto the world. He seeks an earthly kingdom. He ran for political office 3 times!! A pastor??? Let that sink in. Research his running mates, and The Constitution Party, and the John Bircher Society from which he was rooted and endorsed.
He idolizes the Founding Fathers who were Jesuit and Catholic influenced. His adoration and praise of Ron Paul is not Godly, especially a man like Ron Paul who denounced creationism, and never took a real stand on anything. Pantywaisted and spineless which is why he was able to keep his Papist seat in CON gress for decades. Never would Paul just admit that homo sex u ality is not Scriptural. Instead, he makes excuses for the behavior. His audit the Fed campaign was a smoke screen too.
Ron Paul is controlled opposition just like his son Rand who went along with the C.V. deception from day 1.
Baldwin’s high salute for Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Paine, and others is just not Biblical. History proves what these men truly were. They were Deists and Christ deniers. And, they all bowed to Rome. Research history. I had to, and it became real obvious what 1776 was really about. Not what we have been taught. America is ROMEamerica and war machine for Rome’s worldwide Empire.
Mr. Baldwin should be a light to the unbelieving Jews and help Catholics and the harlot evangelical churches come out of the Roman Beast Kingdom but instead he divides them. Why? He is more intetested in whether you salute the American flag and US Constitution than “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, …”
I love and thank David Wilcoxson (he knows my sentiments) for his spiritual wisdom amd discernment but I don’t agree with him on everything. I’m glad for this because it keeps our full faith in our Savior and Creator at all times and not in any one man who will disappoint. It’s just a fact.
The difference between David W. and others I follow is that what they reveal and disclose aligns with Scripture, history, and prophecy as far as I can spiritually see. Mr. Baldwin’s teachings are becoming more and more separate from the true teachings of Messiah and history. My family and I have stopped listening to Baldwin altogether because he is not a Biblical pastor. He is a man seeking after patriotism which is actually rooted in the Roman patriarch. It is idolistic and puts man and the patriarch before GOD our Heavenly Father through Christ.
Thank you for sharing your post. I sincerely mean it.
David, ACM, and Ross,
As always, David; you bring much needed light to this dark, deceptive world.
ACM and Ross, thank you so much for sharing your stories, as they are confirmation of my personal suspicions I have long held concerning Pastor Baldwin. I watched him every week beginning in 2019, got all his DVDs, and read most of the books he offered. I contributed monthly and wrote several questioning letters that were never read or answered. I should have figured it out when I sent Liberty Fellowship all 3 of David’s books in early 2021, and the only response I got was from his personal secretary, who emailed me: “No one here understands why you sent these to us.”
I listened for, and heard many truths from Chuck. He has been my only source of The Word and Christian fellowship for years. I was in denial for months, and simply ignored his likely ties to Freemasonry in order to have at least one source of truth outside my personal Bible reading. For quite a while I thought I was the only one in the Sunday chat who wasn’t all-in on his sermons. Over the past few months I began to see some dissension in the chat with his preterist teaching.
Thanks to all of you for confirming that my concerns are valid, and that there are more than a few well-researched believers who reject Pastor Baldwin’s deceptions. Looking for a new place to fellowship… any suggestions? God bless you all. Stay in God’s Truth.
Thank you for your comment Guy! Wow, that’s crazy that his personal secretary would say that! Obviously the reason was to help him see truth about prophecy fulfillment. Such is life! I appreciate you trying to help him! Keep pressing on for the glory of our King!
Thank you for your thoughtful and passionate post. I always wondered who sent Mr. Baldwin David’s books. Thank you!
The response you received from Mr. Baldwin’s personal secretary regarding David’s book should tell you EXACTLY who and what Mr. Baldwini stands for and that is PRIDE, something that is worse than anything you can imagine. The Bible explains this very clearly.
You are not alone in what you are feeling, sensing, and discerning about Mr. Baldwin and his false teachings. I would be happy and joyful that by seeking truth you found it through our Heavenly Father and Messiah with messengers like David W and each other. We are all messengers for the glory of GOD, our Heavenly Father, and we should all be humble enough to hold each other accountable when we don’t.
I totally understand you want and desire fellowship BUT I would rather be physically alone in this world (temporarily) and have the presence and Holy Spirit of our Heavenly Father and Messiah in my heart and soul than be in a room or church building full of lukewarm people who are either too arrogant or too prideful to seek truth in a caring, compassionate, and loving way.
You can email me privately about the fellowship questions / places if you like.
Rest in Christ, our Messiah, and He will fill you up with all the fellowship you could ever need.
Curious… how did you know Pastor Baldwin was in receipt of David’s books? And any information you have on good leads for fellowship would be most appreciated. I am not certain how to email you privately.
I read it in the comments somewhere on this blog before today when you mentioned it but you are not alone in this area. I have read others on this blog (and my own family and friends) who have done the same in one form or another.
Also, from personal experience, Mr. Baldwin refuses to listen or to engage in a civil dialogue about it.
The day I heard and saw Mr. Baldwin online point his finger to the camera when he was preaching and said that anyone who opposes the founding fathers of this country is a “traitor” and “useless”, I was done! Yes, he said this, and he also shook his finger and said do not contact him about the Roman Catholic Church or Catholicism. This was done in two different sermons in the last few years.
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Your explanations are very very helpful! They break down the false narratives into bite size portions. I pray many will be set free by the truth you bring!
Thank you for your comment Coryl! I’m blessed to know that the explanations help you see the truth of prophecy, which reveals more of the glory of our beloved Messiah.