This message was preached by Pastor Chuck Baldwin on Sunday, 02/15/23, during the service at Liberty Fellowship.
Before I begin my review of Pastor Chuck Baldwin’s explanations, let me declare that I do these type of reviews, not just to expose false teachers; but to show what they teach, which you may have also been taught, so that you can see the truth and the deception.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin has read the explanations of the great theologians of the 16th-20th centuries and and he cites them when something they say helps support his preterist explanations.
But then he purposely leaves out their historicist explanations of the trumpet judgments against the Roman Empire, which misleads people into thinking that they supported the preterist viewpoint. SMH!
These reviews serve as an open rebuttal of their explanations. It’s not about me, it’s about the truth of prophecy fulfillment which reveals the glory of our beloved Messiah!
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the fifth and sixth trumpets represent the demons that were released upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem during the last days of the Roman siege.
This is a made up narrative, as there is no Scriptural or historical proof of this explanation! it’s no better than the fanciful narrative of futurists!
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that John tells us in Revelation 11:2-3, that the Jewish War lasted 3 1/2 years.
Revelation 11 has nothing to do with the first century.
Revelation 11:1-2 was primarily fulfilled by then Catholic monk Martin Luther who was given the Scriptures (the reed like a rod) and told to measure the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church against the rule of Scripture.
The temple that he’s measuring is not a physical temple, but rather the temple in which the Heavenly Father dwells, as Messiah is the cornerstone, the disciples the foundation and the saints the stones that make up the walls.
Martin Luther found that the Roman Catholic Church is an apostate church. It is not part of Messiah’s temple, but is delegated to the outer court of Gentiles.
The Holy City that’s referred to in Revelation 11:2 is not the physical city of Jerusalem, but Messiah’s Ekklesia of saints, which is called Holy Jerusalem in Revelation.
The great city, which is the name of the Roman beast kingdom, tread upon Messiah’s saints for 1260-years, from 538-1798 AD, killing tens of millions of saints during the Dark Ages and Inquisition.
Pastor Baldwins explanations serve to hide the historical fulfillment of Revelation.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship mocks Scofield futurists who say that there will be a 7-year tribulation period after the rapture.
Though futurists believe a false narrative of prophecy fulfillment, Pastor Chuck Baldwin is purposely hiding the historicist explanation.
He has to know that historicists assign the fifth trumpet to the rise of Islam and the Muslim army which was sent to attack the central part of the Roman Empire. He has to know that historicists proclaim that the sixth trumpet points to the Turks being released to attack the eastern Roman Empire.
But Pastor Chuck Baldwin does not declare that historicists give the proper explanation of the 70th week of Daniel 9 and the Olivet Discourse; which lacks credibility. He is hiding the historicist narrative!
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Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that nothing is more twisted and convoluted that Scofield futurism.
Actually, that’s not true, as it’s easy to see how what Scofield futurists teach is false.
More twisted and convoluted explanations about the fulfillment of Revelation, come from people like Pastor Baldwin, who teach the historical fulfillment of the 70th week of Daniel 9 and the Olivet Discourse, and then mislead people about Revelation, proclaiming that it too was fulfilled in the first century!
Pastor Chuck Baldwin is effectively hiding the glorious truth of prophecy fulfillment, which validates the authority of the Bible and the deity of Messiah who foretold the events. Here’s a summary of the fifth and sixth trumpets.
The 5th Trumpet represents Elohim using the Arabian (Mohammedan) army against the Roman Empire from 632-782 AD, which is 150 years (5 months x 30 days = 150 days). They wore turbans (crowns of gold); they had beards (faces of men, as the Roman shaved); they had long hair like women; they wore chain-mail (breast-plates of iron); and they were fierce (teeth of lions). The ‘falling star’ was Mohammed, the ‘smoke’ out of Satan’s bottomless pit is the false religion of Islam, which hides the Gospel from Arabs eyes.
The 6th Trumpet represents Elohim releasing the Turks to cross over the Euphrates River to conquer 1/3rd of the Roman Empire for 391 years (prepared for the hour and day and month and year, 1 + 30 + 360 = 391) from 1062-1453 AD. They used gunpowder muskets, so ‘fire, smoke and brimstone’ appeared at their horses mouths. They used large cannons, some with the faces of lions on them, to knock down the thick protective walls of Constantinople.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship said nothing about Revelation 9:4.
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
Every detail was given for a purpose. How did the Romans not hurt the grass or trees? They didn’t, which is why Chuck skipped over this narrative.
During his life, Muhammad gave various injunctions to his forces and adopted practices toward the conduct of war. One of them was “Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful.”
The reason is that unlike other barbarian armies who attacked the Roman Empire during the first four trumpet judgments, who burned everything in sight, the Muslims wanted to preserve the vegetation as they took over the land and it served to feed them.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship points to five months of torment during last part of the Roman siege.
And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. Revelation 9:5
The zoology of the fifth trumpet; horses, locust, scorpions; point to Arabia, not to the Romans.
Does Josephus document a particular five month period? No!
It’s pointing to the 150 year (5 months x 30 days, each one prophetic year) from 632-782 AD, during which the Muslims attacked the middle 1/3rd of the Roman Empire.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the fallen star is Satan who released demonic spirits from the bottomless pit.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin says that there were 100s of thousands of locust-like demons, which caused the Jews to kill each other.
This made up narrative is no better than the fanciful stories of futurism!
There’s no evidence of any of this taking place! Did Josephus or any historian declare these things? No!
The wickedness of the Jews served to cause them to war against each other, causing hundreds of thousands of their own people to die.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says in regard to Revelation 9:6 that the Jews couldn’t find death.
And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
In this video, Pastor Chuck Baldwin proclaimed that the Jews caused hundreds of thousands of their own people to die, but then he proclaims that they couldn’t find death. That doesn’t make any sense!
Jews who tried to surrender to the Romans were killed by rebel Jews. Jews who tried to find food outside of the city walls, were captured by the Romans and tortured and crucified.
The city of Jerusalem was filled with dead bodies which were heaped up in stacks. The valleys that surrounded Jerusalem was filled with dead bodies which had been thrown over the city walls.
After the Romans flooded into Jerusalem in 70 AD, hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed by the sword. In all, 1.1 million Jews died in and around Jerusalem, so Pastor Chuck Baldwin’s declaration that they couldn’t find death is absurd!
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship said nothing in regard to Revelation 9:7.
And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
Every detail was given for a purpose.
Here’s a portrait of Antar, a contemporary of Mohammed, in which we can see the clear fulfillment of this prophecy.
“The horses prepared unto battle” simply represents that they used horses in battle.
“The crowns of gold” represent the gold and yellow saffron colored turbans that they wore.
“Their faces were as the faces of men“ means that they had beards, which is a sign of their masculinity. Romans and other races shaved their faces, so this would have stood out to John.
“They had hair as the hair of women“ The Muslims had long hair in those days. If they were preparing for battle, they would tie it up under the turbans.
“And their teeth were as the teeth of lions“ means that they were savage and ferocious.
We see the exacting fulfillment of the fifth trumpet judgment, not the fanciful stories of futurism or the preterism of Pastor Chuck Baldwin
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship cites Josephus to say that Roman soldiers dressed up as women.
And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions. Revelation 9:8
Most of Revelation is about the great city of Rome, home of the Roman beast kingdom. The Romans shaved, so John was pointing out that the Arabs had beards, faces of men.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship said nothing about Revelation 9:9.
And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
How did the Romans fulfill this according to Pastor Chuck Baldwin? They didn’t! The Romans didn’t use chariots and horses to attack Jerusalem.
“And they had breastplates of iron“ means the Arab army wore chain-mail as they went into battle. The sounds of their wings represents the rapid conquests of the Saracens, as they moved over countries as swiftly as locust, their many horses causing a great sound.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship said nothing about Revelation 9:10.
And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
“They had stings in their tail” indicates the Saracen Arabs unique ability to fight rearwards, shooting arrows backwards, while riding on horseback.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the Roman leader was the king.
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Roman Emperors and generals were not called kings. It’s pointing to Mohammed, was was destined to control Mecca until his grandfather died and it passed to another as he was too young to take control.
He was ripe to be deceived to take back control, which took place through his Catholic wife and her cousin, who played a role in helping prop Mohammed up as the prophet of Islam.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that Revelation 9:13 proves that the apocalyptic vision was written before the desolation of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Pastor Chuck Baldwin is implying that it’s pointing to the altar in the Jewish temple, but that’s off-target as it declares that the golden altar is in heaven. It’s a declaration from an angel from heaven.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the four angels in Revelation 9:14 are the four Roman generals.
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin knows that historians only document three divisions of the Roman army being used in Jerusalem, so he gave a lame explanation to justify a fourth to prop up his flimsy point.
The Turks (also known as the Tartars and Turkomans) had moved into the area East of the Euphrates, but for two generations the river prevented (bound them) them from moving towards the West. Finally in 1062 A.D., they were able to cross the Euphrates and surge against the eastern Roman Empire.
Alp Arslan was the leader who led the Turks across the river, but he died in battle, and was succeeded by Malek Shah, whose divided the kingdom under his four sons, the four angels/leaders.
These four sons would seem to represent the four angels, as they were the leaders who were released to from the Euphrates to execute the Heavenly Father’s will.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that it took 13 months to assembly this massive force.
And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. Revelation 9:15
The passage is pointing to them attacking during this period of time, not assembling their forces, so Pastor Chuck Baldwin’s explanation is off-target.
The 6th Trumpet represents Elohim releasing the Turks to cross over the Euphrates River to conquer 1/3rd of the Roman Empire for 391 years (prepared for the hour and day and month and year, 1 + 30 + 360 = 391) from 1062-1453 AD.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the two hundred thousand thousand in Revelation 9:16 was symbolic.
And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin declares that there were about 75,000 Roman soldiers who attacked Jerusalem. So because this number falls short of the declaration in the prophecy, he says that the number is symbolic. How convenient!
A myriad means “ten thousand“, so John’s vision represented groups of ten thousand. The Turks fulfilled this, as they organized their armies in units of ten thousand, so we see the exacting fulfillment in the historicist explanations, which Pastor Chuck Baldwin is hiding.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that Revelation 9:17 represents a demon-possessed Roman army attacking Jerusalem.
And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
Once again, this fanciful explanation is no better than the futuristic explanations. There’s no proof of any of this to be true!
The truth exposes the deception, so I’ll just post the historicist explanation so that you can see that Pastor Chuck Baldwin is misleading people.
The Turks uniforms were red, blue and yellow (fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone).
Alp Arsion, their leader, their head, was known as the “Valiant Lion“, and many others had names like the brace lion, the heroic lion, etc. They were known for their ferocity, even more than the Arabs.
The Turkish tribes carried a horse-like tail, instead of banners, as they rode into battle. They wore them on their Fez’s (hats), as seen above. The more horse tails, the more important you were.
The Turks fired long muskets when riding their horse, so the gunpowder (fire, smoke and brimstone) appeared near the horses’ mouth.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that Revelation 9:18 points to the number of Jews who were killed in Jerusalem
By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
Once again, Pastor Chuck Baldwin is effectively hiding the historicist explanation. The Roman Empire was so vast, so that at one point it was split into three parts, with three Emperors ruling over them.
The first four trumpet judgments were against the western third of the Roman empire. The Muslims of the fifth trumpet were released to attack middle third of the empire. And the Turks of the sixth trumpet were sent to attack the eastern third of the empire.
Constantinople was a well-defended city which had massive walls and water on three sides, so it was difficult to attack.
The Turks used large cannons which filled the air with fire, smoke and brimstone, to knock down the thick protective walls to conquer Constantinople in 1453 AD. They converted the city into Istanbul.
Roman historian Edward Gibbon wrote an epic series called The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. He wasn’t trying to prove the fulfillment of prophecy, but just to document history.
Gibbon starts his narrative with Emperor Trajan who ruled from 98-117 AD, when Rome was conquering nations and celebrating with victory parade in which he rose a white horse and wore a laurel wreath crown. This is what the first seal of Revelation is describing.
Gibbon documented the western Roman Emperor being removed from power, which fulfilled the fourth trumpet judgment.
Gibbon ends his narrative with the defeat of Constantinople, when the Eastern Roman Emperor was removed from power. This is what the sixth trumpet is describing.
So we see the historical fulfillment of the first seal to the sixth trumpet in the historical evidence of Gibbons writings.
I have no doubt that Pastor Chuck Baldwin knows Gibbons writings, and the historicist explanations of the great theologians of the 16th-20th centuries who used Gibbons’ narrative to show the fulfillment of Revelation.
And that means that Pastor Chuck Baldwin is purposefully misleading people!
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship didn’t give an explanation for Revelation 9:19.
For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.
The Turks used muskets which fired metal balls that shot out with the gunpowder blast appearing near the head of the horses.
Here’s a picture of the Dardanelles Gun, which was cast in 1464 A.D. and based on the Orban bombard that was used for the Ottoman besiegers of Constantinople in 1453.
So the “fire, smoke, brimstone” is a manifest allusion to artillery and gunpowder; which were the main engines used by the Turks.
“For their power is in their mouth and in their tails” – The cannons shot forth with fire and smoke, to take down cavalry, and battle the walls of fortified cities.
They lit the fuse at the tail of the cannon, to ignite the gunpowder, which is the power which propelled the huge balls from the mouth of the cannon.
They surrounded Constantinople and by cannon fire the city fell. This was the first recorded time that a city fell because of superior artillery.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin of Liberty Fellowship says that the Jews did not repent when they were attacked by the Roman army.
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk. Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. Revelation 9:20-21
That may be true, but the sixth trumpet is pointing to the Orthodox Christians in Constantinople, who believed the same false gospel as the Roman Catholic Church, that salvation is through the sacraments and that Mary is their intercessor. They even prayed for Mary to protect them from the attack of the Turks.
Whether Pastor Baldwin is woefully deceived or a deceiver doesn’t matter, as the effect of his explanations serve to deflect blame away from the enemy of Messiah and His saints, and hide the true historical fulfillment of the prophecies in Revelation.
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